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 Post subject: The Eternal Return.
 Post Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:29 pm 
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I have been reading alot on the subject of Deja vue and reliving your life over again,the auther Anthony Peake reckons when we reach the point of death are brains rewind back like a video recording.It plays our whole life back to us like a movie.You may have heard the saying,my life flashed in front of me.He reckons this is true but we slip out of time.So a minute to evryone around us becomes years to us.Its a bit like groundhog day or groundhog life to be more precise.Philosophers have long argued that we can never really know what is outside of our own conscious awareness. However in recent years the support for this belief from quantum physics (termed The Participatory Universe by John Wheeler) is supplemented by empirical experiments within the new science of 'Consciousness Studies'. These have shown that our perception of external reality is not immediate. It is recorded (possibly using a process similar to holograms) then 'projected' to consciousness as a facsimile. If this is the case then what we all think is happening now may have happened years ago in a similar way that a film may be viewed now but it was recorded ten years ago. This idea is very popular at the moment. Films such as "The Matrix" and "Vanilla Sky" take this as a central theme. If, like Neo at the start of the film The Matrix, we are all living inside a pre-recorded simulation then there must be an occasional glitch in the playback, a tell-tale sign that proves that this is all an internally generated holographic image. Again the writers of The Matrix show how this may be implied. In the film Neo experiences the phenomenon commonly known as a déjà vu. He sees a cat cross his path twice. This, it transpires, is evidence that the matrix programme was being altered. Could this be what is really happening in a déjà vu experience?

If the holographic theory of experience is right then all a déjà vu is is a judder in the playback process, a situation were the same information is presented to consciousness twice. The NDE experience is very consistent in that it involves similar experiences reported by most of those experiencing the state. Regularly reported is that of a full past life review. Another common sensation is an encounter with an entity described as a 'being in white'. This being seems to be responsible for the past life review and seems to know all about the dying person. Others report that time slows down as death approaches, the slowing down increasing until time almost stops.
However these are 'near' death experiences, not the real thing. Could the real thing involve similar sensations with one major difference - the 'life review' is presented in a minute-by-minute re-living of the observer's life? Could it be that the glutamate flood slows time perception down to such an extent that the observer - in the final split second of their life - lives a whole lifetime again within a holographically generated facsimile of the original?

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Hmmm... see my post from yesterday:
http://www.modernchurchofsatan.com/grot ... .php?t=953

Part of the problem with our consciousness and concept of reality is our notion of time being a standard, minute-by-minute straight line. However, if you talk to older people, they will all tell you that time goes faster the older you get. To kids, a week is a long time. This seems to indicate that time is a relative thing. It is also not necessarily a straight line.

I have a concept that 'time', the moments that make up our consciousness is really not a straight line but more of a nautilus concept, like a snail shell or spiral growing bigger as it goes around in cycles. The lines in the spiral are touching other lines as it gets bigger, and any given point is closer to a particular point on the other 'cycles' (past and future). It's more dimensional and complex than that description, but you get the general idea.

Give it a while, the above concept will sink in.

The concept of line being a straight arrow is a western idea burned into our brains, but other cultures have had circular concepts as well. There are many other schools of thought on time, just read Einstein, Hawking, stuff from the objectivists, etc.

Here's a good quote from another site regarding quantum concepts of time:

It is true, western constructs of time can differ from Indigenous concepts of time, but this is more a difference in spiritual beliefs than native intellectual deficit. I find it is easier to explain this difference to non-Indigenous people by using western quantum physics theories.

Time is a human construct. Or at the quantum level it might also be seen as being tied up with attraction to objects according to relativity principles introduced by that paragon of western science - Albert Einstein. Time actually runs slower as you move away from earth into space; this has to be factored in mathematically for satellites to be accurate.

The second law of thermodynamics indicates that in a closed system, (eg. earth) that system will tend towards disorder (entropy). That is why time runs forwards on earth, but in other places in the universe time is mathematically impossible even as a human construct, eg at the event horizon of a black hole.

And in quantum physics, many kinds of sub-atomic particles can move forwards and backwards in time, or like photons, not exist in time at all.


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It is a fascinating subject but can be mind blowing the more you read into it,its also said your subconcious guides you at the end.Seen by many as the being in white,to the ancient Greeks a Demon was said to guide them.Like Satanism says we are are own gods and maybe what we believe will guide us at the end.Just hope he does'nt wave a fish at me and a bottle of wine. :lol:

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lol... It's like I always say to christians, if they have it right at least all my friends will be in hell with me...


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So gentlemen, the question remains....
With the said information presented...Can we control time in reference to our lives? Can we bend it or maybe even stop it?

If time is tied into our own consciousness then I wonder if one could manipulate it.

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I haven't made up my mind about this yet. I haven't pondered it for long enough or digested enough information on the subject to form a solid opinion yet, but i will say this: I hold that most things in the universe are circular - straight lines do not occur in nature anywhere. So it seems logical that time could be circular too. But it just because it seems that way doesn't mean it has to be that way. It could be the one thing in the universe that is linear.

All the theories about time up to this point are just that: theories. we have no solid evidence "yet" to prove that time is indeed circular.

but for me it seems irrelevant. the more important question is "what difference does it make? If time is circular how does that change your life? Does it alter how you experience time?"

But I aggree with Narin that your experience of time is relative. your experience of time does speed up as you get older.

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To me time in a closed system like earth indeed IS a straight line. We cannot go back or stand still in it. However like i read here if you "escape" this closed system time will be a more advanced dimension where in the universe there are places where there is no time.

However if i take a step outside i see there is no time at all. Only a systematic events that take place in a vast rythm. The time we use can be used like some sort of measuringpoint on wich we can see wich event will take place.

To me the example of the grandparent and child is not well chosen.
Because the older people have lived longer than the child wich gives that these people are more used to the length of time, wich the child isn't.

(Hope it is a bit clear..)


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Okay, I probably shouldn't be sharing this, but I admire your search for knowledge and truth.

In the year 2014, there were break throughs in the way thought was processed. Firstly, by setting laws (such as the redundant straight line of time theory) you trap yourself within those laws. As time went on, people thought more and more outside the square until they realised that the square was only square because we made it have four equal sides.

So, by shattering the rules that had existed and basically starting afresh, Dr Rhonus Jeppen established the new theory of time. It's impossible to explain in anyway due to the fact that there are no parallels or analogies to draw on. And, in itself it is such a complex theory that without a short course on Jeppenian Incandenuries it's impossible to even grasp the concept to be able to start understanding it.

Suffice to say that there was such a huge change in 2014 regarding time, that it started a whole new generation of Mathesthetic Conjunculators scrapping concepts like gravity, relativity and other such outdated theories and started from scratch.

Believe me, you can't wait.

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Okay, I feel that I'm gonna need to explain myself more. I'll try to put it terms you'll understand and I'll use an analogy.

Firstly, a little history lesson. By 2010, Generation Y had already started having children and there was a new generation coming through - the Key Generation. So called because of the "Key" technology.

Really the Key was a project to help people out but got wildly popular really quickly. Basically, the Key was like a microchip that got implanted into humans - like the chip you currently have in your pets.

As you probably are aware, scientists have been working on nanomachines. Well, the Key chip was infected with these nanomachines. They basically fused the chip into your nervous system with outstanding results. Firstly, it tapped into the pain receptors in your fingertips and you could use your fingers on any hard surface the same way you type on a keyboard. This sent messages to your brain which registered the "keystrokes" by effecting your vision to show a sort of display on the back of your eye. This meant you had a computer whereever you were.

This triggered a whole range of things. 1) The nanomachines were able to find and destroy any nerve based diseases (Parkinsons, MS, etc) as well as any defects like eye problems (cataracts, etc). People became much more healthy and required hospitals less. 2) The need for up to date information was heightened and the keynet became the solution. Basically, the satellites become more powerful and could beam information to you directly instead of you having to search the net for it. 3) This meant that people no longer needed to travel to a place of business to work. Cities changed because of this and the home became the focus of lifestyle. 4) People's attitudes changed.

The last one is a doozey. By 2012 most people under the age of 30 had Key implants and were so effected by the change that there was a sudden shift in thinking. One example is Professor Julianne Katz' "Cats" theory. Basically she said that humans were not different at all. In fact they are very much like cats. All cats are entirely different and there are different "races" of cats with different behaviour patterns, but no one ever judged cats on their race. Cats were judged on the way they behaved in themselves and towards others. Suddenly people realised that people were people and that put an end to bigotry. It just didn't exist anymore.

So from that springboard, other people started looking at concepts that were proven to be true and then throwing the whole concept out the window and starting again from scratch. Things like Time and Space, instead of growing into the concept that you have today, started afresh. We got a new global calendar that started in 2013 (to use your numbers, not ours). The whole concept of Time changed radically in line with what I discussed in my earlier post.

So, anyway, I don't wanna say more than that, I've already said too much, but I thought you might like to know...

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Um, OK I'm a little confused...

Are you from the future?

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I probably shouldn't have answered that.

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GrymLord, that is delicious pussy galore!

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Thanks, AD, I thought you, of all people, would appreciate that.

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GrymLord wrote:
Thanks, AD, I thought you, of all people, would appreciate that.


So much nicer than putting the cats in a box and wagering on whether they live or die, Dr. Schroedinger.

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Narin_the_Squtz wrote:
Hmmm... see my post from yesterday:
viewtopic.php?t=953

Part of the problem with our consciousness and concept of reality is our notion of time being a standard, minute-by-minute straight line. However, if you talk to older people, they will all tell you that time goes faster the older you get. To kids, a week is a long time. This seems to indicate that time is a relative thing. It is also not necessarily a straight line.

I have a concept that 'time', the moments that make up our consciousness is really not a straight line but more of a nautilus concept, like a snail shell or spiral growing bigger as it goes around in cycles. The lines in the spiral are touching other lines as it gets bigger, and any given point is closer to a particular point on the other 'cycles' (past and future). It's more dimensional and complex than that description, but you get the general idea.

Give it a while, the above concept will sink in.

The concept of line being a straight arrow is a western idea burned into our brains, but other cultures have had circular concepts as well. There are many other schools of thought on time, just read Einstein, Hawking, stuff from the objectivists, etc.

Here's a good quote from another site regarding quantum concepts of time:

It is true, western constructs of time can differ from Indigenous concepts of time, but this is more a difference in spiritual beliefs than native intellectual deficit. I find it is easier to explain this difference to non-Indigenous people by using western quantum physics theories.

Time is a human construct. Or at the quantum level it might also be seen as being tied up with attraction to objects according to relativity principles introduced by that paragon of western science - Albert Einstein. Time actually runs slower as you move away from earth into space; this has to be factored in mathematically for satellites to be accurate.

The second law of thermodynamics indicates that in a closed system, (eg. earth) that system will tend towards disorder (entropy). That is why time runs forwards on earth, but in other places in the universe time is mathematically impossible even as a human construct, eg at the event horizon of a black hole.

And in quantum physics, many kinds of sub-atomic particles can move forwards and backwards in time, or like photons, not exist in time at all.


Nothing to add, other than my appreciation for a most excellent post, Dr. Squtz! QFT!

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