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This is a very intriguing concept.

So the idea is, using biochemical and bio-electric energies, you can manipulate atomic structures by transferring, or taking, electrons from other particles around you.

Would this also work with magnetism?
Example; placing your hands in a circle, and creating a weak electromagnet using electrical impulses caused by the synapses in your nerve endings.

It would be kind of nifty to crush an aluminum can without touching it, or placing an aluminum washer, placing it around your finger, and making it jump a off your finger.

Although, this could cause damage to the body if the energies created cause enough radiation to damage tissue, or could accelerator the bodies transformation between matter and energy.

Hopefully I'm not too far off base. XD

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Sorry, wrong sort of magic. Feel free to discuss the possibilities of such a thing though, but read through the purpose for ritual magick in the Satanic perspective. You will see that it is quite different.

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Whats the stop someone from bringing satanic principles to those places?
The problem with the statement is your last sentence. By having an impact on an individual who has an impact on the world, wouldn't that by proxy mean its influenced the world?

As for the plastic horns being repeatedly brought up here and other places, ya guys gotta remember the times that he did that shit in. To the public, a dude dressing up with devil horns and holding rituals as High Priest of Satan was an incredibly shocking thing at the time. If I remember correctly, his explanation was to become what the general public wanted him to be. At this point of time, doing something like that is quite unnecessary and sure to render one completely disregarded as a lunatic.
But lets be honest folks, is that really what hurt the name of Satanist? It couldn't have been the irrational witch hunts preceding from teenagers killing small animals, or lunatics claiming the devil was telling them to kill, or from fringe drug addicts causing all sorts of stupidity. No, obviously it was mr LaVey and his plastic horns.

Bah. All this is off topic, so... I'm done.

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I think that Mattikons ideas on magic are sound and realistic. You seem to have grasped the basic principles, which is very refreshing.

I'm having this same issue, I thought that the rituals and stuff was just supposed to be stimulation for the mind, I've just become an atheist, I thought Satanist was just another step from that.

I still don't believe in this magic stuff, but I haven't really had the chance to read the Satanic Bible, and I don't think I will have the chance to anytime soon now that Barnes and Noble is closing down.

If you haven't read the book, then how are you to know what the "magic" is really about (or not about as the case may be)? Are you depending on us to tell you?

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This is an interesting thread and I thought I might add some comments.

I personally think Satanic magic is an important part of Satanism, and this seems to be supported by the amount of space which LaVey (for one) dedicated to it in The Satanic Bible, The Satanic Rituals and The Satanic Witch.

I perform Greater Magical rituals when I feel the need to and they are roughly based on the principles which LaVey talks about in the Books of Belial and Leviathan.

I have been curious about how Greater Magic works for some time now and as a part of my experience and my studies I have found that trying to figure out how magic works is a bit like trying to nail a custard or a piece of jelly to a wall.

There are, however, some useful definitions which I have used to get a firmer grasp on what is happening during a ritual and afterwards. Here they are:

"The change in situations or events in accordance with one's will, which would, using normally accepted methods, be unchangeable." Dr. Anton LaVey.

“Greater Black Magic (GBM) is the causing of change to occur in the subjective universe in accordance with the will. This change in the subjective universe may cause a similar and proportionate change in the objective universe.” Dr. Michael Aquino.

“Satanic ritual is a technique of self – transformative psychodrama.” COS High Priest Peter Gilmore.

“There is no guarantee that ritual can do anything more than serve as a cathartic experience for the ones performing it.” COS High Priest Peter Gilmore.

“A theory advanced by Ingo Swann in Natural ESP suggests that there may be a gateway through the most primitive part of the brain by which thoughts and imagery might in some way “broadcast” to other minds when fuelled by extreme emotional experiences. We Satanists see this as a possible means for Greater Magic to impact the world outside of the ritual chamber.” COS High Priest Peter Gilmore.

“Greater Magic is a technology” ”Compare it to using electricity.” Magister Nemo.

All of these definitions are useful and are provided by magicians with a great deal of experience and knowledge, but they do need to be unpacked I think. Gaining knowledge, though, from unpacking these complex definitions can be difficult and can lead to confusion and all sorts of wild claims. I have certainly been there and tested the patience of some experienced people with my speculations.

I like to think that learning about Greater Magic is best done by doing it again and again, and by carefully evaluating the results obtained and also by changing things to see what will work for you and what will not work for you and generally by what will happen. (One’s own definition of Magic is derived from this practical learning, plus what you can learn from studying the definitions of other magician’s I think.)

I think this is how all of the good black magician’s like LaVey, Aquino, Gilmore and Nemo worked out their own distinctive magical practices and thinking. Being a successful black magician requires patience and practice and a willingness not to jump to conclusions.

My opinion: Ive been a Satanist for over 15 years and i like providing rituals and other things for folks to use as information. However i personally only use "lesser magic" as i have found it to be more beneficial. To me "greater magic" is only useful for a "stress release" or to have some kind of dogma or "beleif" Which i have no beleif in anything supernatural. Also a good way of directing energy for a given outcome.

But i look at this is the same way as prayer for many religions. I would rather get up and "go get the job" or go out get a haircut and new clothes and use a little seduction to "get the girl" so to speak instead of performing a ritual of lust or compassion.

There is no scientific proof that magic "of any kind" works. I know some of you satanist may not like this. But this is my opinion and ive dealt with the occults for a very very long time. No magic will get you the girl or man without trying to physically do so yourself. No magic will get you the money or job you need without working hard or going to the interview.

This is why i advise any and all to learn "lesser magic" and put it first.

some reading to help:
Books by:David J Lieberman...
Never be lied to again
Get anyone to do Anything
You can read anyone
Instant Anylysis

The Mytery Method by: Mystery (more for men)

The Game: by: Neil Strauss (more for men) but gives women good info.

48 Laws of power by: Robert Greene (to me one of the greatest satanic books of written)

And of course. The Satanic witch By Levay

Hope this helps and of course no offense to those who light the candles and say the conjurations. Do what works best for you.

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